访谈 --- joep van lieshout 琼普.凡.莱斯豪特
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琼普.凡.莱斯豪特

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琼普.凡.莱斯豪特(joep van lieshout),1963年在荷兰的莱温斯坦出生(ravenstein)。他曾在鹿特丹的现代艺术学院学习,在哈勒姆(haarlem)的“63工作室”(ateliers '63)以及法国当代艺术学校(Villa Arson de Nice)。1995年于鹿特丹创立凡.莱斯豪特工作室(Atelier van Lieshout )(AVL),参与建筑、设计及当代艺术计划。AVL由于他们的装置“可动的自慰雕塑”而世界著名。AVL几乎把他们所代理的作品得来的资金全部投入到了他们认为重要的其他方案中去,但这些方案并不一定会赢利。2001年AVL展开了位于鹿特丹码头的“AVL镇”(AVL-Ville)计划,提供给在工作室工作的人们住宅。1年后,当他们展现了自己的“严肃”态度时,他们已经可以建造一个根据自己设计的房子(材料费由AVL付)。他们将自己造房子,并且不用付房租了…

琼普.凡.莱斯豪特的创作强调结合多种不同媒介,不局限于单一领域。于过去十年间,AVL的大量创作,包括流动家居、浴室及厨房组件、雕塑、家俬及工具等,大部份都以玻璃纤维及夺目的色彩作为他的创作标记。其中,“AVL镇”计划更打破大众对现今常规社会运作的模式,成为一个极具可能性的「自冶小区」。琼普.凡.莱斯豪特将小区介入与艺术性想象结合在一起,把他独有的社群想象带到我们的面前。凡.莱斯豪特在当晚分享了他一系列的作品。他的作品都从不同的角度显示了凡.莱斯豪特对自给自足的理想小区这原形追寻。

凡.莱斯豪特的追寻是由他著名的“流动住宅”系列开始的。在他所设计的这些屋中,一个人本身便是一个小区。一个人在里面完全可以与外界隔绝,受到极小量的外界影响,只需依靠自己的原料便可以生活。凡.莱斯豪特在这个系列中,充分表现了他对都市生活的另类批判,以及他的幽默感。

之后凡.莱斯豪特就着这个概念发展下去。他将这个自给自足的概念由本身也有点独善其身的艺术范畴,延伸到真实生活之中。在2001年,他与AVL便在鹿特丹的港口区发展了一个名叫AVL镇的自由小区。他首先以建立一个“开放式艺术馆”的名义向鹿特丹市长要来了一块地。在那里,凡.莱斯豪特探讨小镇的不同原素到每一个细节上。AVL镇拥有自己的旗帜、宪法,甚至货币;而当然,钞票上所印着的图象更不会是通常见到的式样。他们的取向或可从他们的格言中看得出来:“只要这是艺术,那么所有东西都可以发生。”这个什么也可以发生的自由小区与我们身处这个高度调控的社会形成了一个强烈的对比。在AVL镇中,每天也在生产着艺术:由食品到能源,以至住屋及物件,莫一不是。不幸的是在一年后AVL镇也被迫关闭。

但是凡.莱斯豪特的追寻并未因此而完结,他把这个探索都市生活可能性的兴趣转移到他的另一些计划去。凡.莱斯豪特最后也介绍了AVL一些现在正进行中的计划,其中包括了“直肠酒吧”及“子官屋”等等。

凡.莱斯豪特在不同的范畴及尺度中去重新想象社群的可能性。这些计划提出了都市生活的新可能。而且它们都并非不着边际的空想,而是对我们的社会有针对性的批判。

凡.莱斯豪特获得了以下奖项:
马特.斯丹姆奖(mart stam awards),1998,
威廉敏娜.琳雕塑奖(wilhelmina-ring,sculpture award),2000,
科特.斯起特奖(kurt schwitters award),2004

琼普.凡.莱斯豪特的作品被以下这些大量的美术馆和画廊的收藏:
博伊基曼.凡.贝尼根美术馆(museum boijmans van beuningen),鹿特丹斯泰德利吉克美术馆(Rotterdam stedelijk museum),阿姆斯特丹艺术中心(Amsterdam centraal museum), 荷兰乌得勒支.凡.艾贝美术馆(Utrecht van abbe museum), Eindhoven museum almere,奥米尔.博耐凡特美术馆(almere bonnefanten museum) ,荷兰海牙当代艺术中心(the hague centre of contemporary art), castello di rivoli, 朗戈多科-卢锡荣省都林艺术基金(turin frac languedoc-roussillon), 法国rhône-alpes省立蒙彼利埃市当代艺术基金会 (Montpellier frac rhône-alpes), 法国里昂当代艺术基金会 (lyon fnac), 巴黎m.a.c., Marseille moma, 纽约prada基金, Milan museum für gegenwartskunst, zürich walker艺术中心(zürich walker art center), 美国明尼阿波利斯亨利摩尔艺术机构(Minneapolis the henry moore institute), leeds flackenberg collection, hamburg sammlung essl,美国康涅狄格州收藏协会(klosterneuburg hall collection, Connecticut)

琼普.凡.莱斯豪特的个人网站:
http://www.ateliervanlieshout.com


访谈:

我们于2007年4月18日在米兰会见了琼普.凡.莱斯豪特.

一天中哪个时刻是最美好的?
晚上,当所有的事都做完了,你可以开始放松,喝点东西,然后睡觉.

你听哪种音乐?
我听很多来自南美的音乐,这种音乐来自阿根廷的贫民区。这种音乐你在店里可买不到,它很有趣。

你听收音机吗?
有时候,不怎么多。

在你手边的桌子上放着什么书呢?
很少,有时候我看艺术杂志里的广告。

你从哪里获得信息?
我对当前的艺术,设计,时尚正在发生什么并没有很大兴趣追随…我更喜欢得到我自己的灵感资源,这样我才是完全的自由了。如果你从别人做的东西那里弄灵感,但会有很多限制。

我想你很注意女人们的穿着,你对此有什么喜好么?
…不穿衣服!

你拒绝穿哪种衣服?
任何带有牌子的衣服,我讨厌品牌。如果我喜欢的一件东西上面有一个LOGO,我会拿掉它,或者我根本不会买它。

你有宠物吗?
没有

你还是个孩子的时候就总是想成为艺术家了么?
是的,对我来说,艺术家是画家。当我开始艺术院校生涯的时候,我很快就开始做雕塑和装置,它们比画画更自由。

你有怀疑过做艺术家的这个决定吗?
当然有,作为一个艺术家,你总会有疑问和犹豫,因为你从不知道你应该是什么,但是这是一个艺术家的命运——不安全感总是存在。但这依然是一件好事,因为它让你一直做一些事,让你的艺术作品作得更好。

你和其他艺术家讨论自己的作品吗?
不,确实有一些群体存在,但是我根本不是一个积极的参与者(笑)!

你在哪里做你的方案?
我有一个很大的工作室,有20个助手,所以这个工作室和办公室是很拥挤的地方,我更想自己在家工作,可以画很多草图和想很多点子。

如果可以的话,你作为你好朋友的身份来谈谈你的作品风格吧。
我的作品总是理性和不理性,好的和坏的,美丽和丑陋的交叉点,在我当前的作品中总是有矛盾存在。

有没有过去的某些艺术家影响过你,或是你特别赞赏谁的作品?
有一些艺术家对我非常重要,列奥纳多达芬奇和非常多的“老”艺术家。现代的艺术家中有约瑟夫博伊斯和布鲁斯诺曼。

哪个方案让你最满意呢?
我不知道。。。我想每个方案都在说:下一个!我想下一个应该完全是我自己做的作品,(其实有很多作品是我的助手制作的,有一些则是我自己制作的)。它们大多非常的小,但是我很喜欢它们,因为我的手触碰过它们,(笑)

你认为在艺术中有道德规范吗?
艺术应该不是说教的,它应该是自由的,在艺术的阐释上也是这样,看艺术的人们应该学习如何去阐释艺术的道德和规范的边界,另外,艺术已经变成一种信仰的宣称。艺术应该是私人化的,可变的。

你对年轻人有什么建议呢?
试着走你自己的路,跟着你的直觉走,不要听太多别人说的东西,要像一个戴着眼罩的马那样固执。

现在有很多话题是关于设计中的“生态学“的,你对这个有什么要说的呢?
哦,我想生态学非常重要,我应该意识到这个,但是同时,人们也在想气候的变化,还有些人在幕后改变世界。因为全球化和资本主义,我们还应该想到其他生活领域发生了什么,还有我们的自由和表达。关心环境这很好,,,但是你知道,,,还要盯着你的身后。

关于未来,你有什么害怕的呢?
将来,我会非常非常的忙。

注释:

哈勒姆:荷兰西部一城市,位于阿姆斯特丹西部,靠近北海。现为工业城市,以花卉中心和根茎植物,特别是郁金香的集散地闻名。

法国当代艺术学校(Villa Arson de Nice):它坐落在法国南部第一大城市——尼斯全欧洲最具魅力的度假胜地黄金海岸给予了它浑然天成的艺术气息它还是法国最主要的当代艺术中心每年一届的狂 欢节、爵士音乐节以及享有盛名的尼斯歌剧团吸引了来自世界各地的艺术家这里有独一无二的“艺术家住校”项目让艺术与生活、灵感与创作实现最大程度的融合这 里的考试以艺术作品展览的形式进行造就了学生自由的想象力和创造力它的建校历史虽然不长但它的学生开创了当代艺术的潮流成为当代艺术的代言人

以上部分奖项和美术馆的官方网站:
博伊基曼.凡.贝尼根美术馆(museum boijmans van beuningen)
http://www.boijmans.nl
鹿特丹斯泰德利吉克美术馆(Rotterdam stedelijk museum)

[沙发:1楼] 嘿乐乐 2008-08-05 02:42:32
原文:

joep van lieshout
was born in 1963 in ravenstein, netherlands. he studied at the academy of modern art, rotterdam; ateliers '63 in haarlem and villa arson in nice. in 1995 he founded atelier van lieshout in Rotterdam that carries out projects in the field of architecture, design and contemporary art. AVL got worldwide known for their installations of self-sufficiency-mobile homes. AVL uses most of the money they make from commissions to invest in other projects that they think are important but may not be profitable -in 2001 AVL founded 'AVL ville', a 'free state' in rotterdam's port,which offers housing to people who work in the studio. after a year, when they've shown that they're 'serious', they can also build a house according to their own design (materials paid by AVL). they will have to build the structure themselves and don't have to pay rent, ...

among the many awards received :
the mart stam award, 1998,
the wilhelmina-ring,sculpture award, 2000,
and the kurt schwitters award, 2004.
the work of atelier van lieshout is part of the collection of numerous galleries and museums:
museum boijmans van beuningen, Rotterdam stedelijk museum, Amsterdam centraal museum, Utrecht van abbe museum, Eindhoven museum almere, almere bonnefanten museum, Maastricht the dutch state, the hague centre of contemporary art, castello di rivoli, turin frac languedoc-roussillon, Montpellier frac rhône-alpes, lyon fnac, paris m.a.c., Marseille moma, new york prada foundation, Milan museum für gegenwartskunst, zürich walker art center, Minneapolis the henry moore institute, leeds flackenberg collection, hamburg sammlung essl, klosterneuburg hall collection, connecticut


we met joep van lieshout in milan on april 18th, 2007.

what is the best moment of the day?
in the evening when everything is done and you can begin to relax, drink and then sleep.

what kind of music do you listen to?
I listen to a lot of music from south america, the kind of music that comes from the favelas of argentina. it's the kind of music that you can't buy in the shops -it is very interesting.

do you listen to the radio?
sometimes, not so much.

what books do you have on your bedside table?
they are all books about the third reich! (laughs)

do you read design, art or architecture magazines?
very few, sometimes I look at the advertisements in the art magazines.

where do you get news from?
I'm not so interested in following the actuality in what's happening at the moment in the news or in art, design, fashion... I prefer to get my own sources of inspiration, this way I am completely free. if you are taking inspiration from what other people do then you have many limitations.

I guess that you notice how women dress, do you have any preferences?
...no clothes!

what type of clothes do you avoid wearing?
anything with a brand, I hate brands. if there is something I like that has a logo on it I would take it off, or I just wouldn't buy it.

do you have any pets?
no.

when you were a child did you always want to become an artist?
yes, and to me an artist was a painter. very soon, when I began art school I started to do sculpture and installations which is... more free.

have you ever doubted the decision to become an artist?
of course, as an artist there is always doubts and hesitation because you never know what you should be, but this is the destiny of an artist - there is always insecurity. this is a good thing though, because it keeps you doing something and improves your art.

do you discuss your work with other artists?
no, there are some groups, but I'm definitely not an active participant! (laughs)

where do you work on your projects?
I have a big studio with twenty people working for me, so the workshop and the office are very busy places,I prefer to work at home by myself, I draw a lot and develop ideas.
describe your style as a good friend of yours would describe it.
there is always a juxtaposition of rational and irrational, good and bad, beautiful and ugly. contradiction is always present in my work.

is there any artists from the past that has influenced you or that you particularly appreciate the work of?
there are some artists who are very important to me, leonardo da vinci and many other 'older' artists of course. from modern age I would say joseph beuys and bruce nauman.

which project has given you the most satisfaction?
I don't know... I guess everyone says - the next one! I suppose it's the projects that I do completely by myself, (there are many pieces that are made/produced by my assistants, then there are some that I do alone). they are often very small and tiny but I like them more because it is my hands that have touched them.(laughs)

do you think that there is ethics in art?
art should be non moralistic, it should be free and so should the interpretation so the person who is looking at the art should learn how to interpret the ethic and moral side of it, otherwise art becomes propaganda. art should be personal and volatile.

do you have any advice for the young?
try to go your own way and follow your intuition don't listen too much to what other people say, be stubborn like a horse with blinkers on.

there is a lot of talk around in design regarding 'ecology' do you have anything to say on this matter?
well, I think that ecology is very important and we should be aware of this, but whilst people are thinking about climate change, there are other people in the background changing the world for their cause. we should also think about what is happening to the other areas of life, our freedom and expression because of globalization and capitalism. it's good to care about the environment... but you know... watch your back.

what are you afraid of regarding the future?
that I will be too busy in the future.
[板凳:2楼] 兰皮 2008-08-05 12:55:31
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